these men also have to not use drugs, not engage in gun violence. the people running the program are saying it could have been much worse. these men could have used guns. >> they are saying it is a glass half full here. >> right. they are learning life skills. they are following the program. >> but they have to make a decision how to go forward with this. >> here's what kills me about this. this office was on the third floor of city hall. there were supposedly ten of these guys. someone else in that building saw what happened so it is not just the staff from this office but it is the people in city hall and near city hall and around the community who seem to be kind of, you know, when i was growing up we called it no snitching. this whole idea of fear of speaking up. if they can do this in rich monday city hall, what are they going to do to me miles from city hall when the police weren't even there when the fight happened. >> the irony is these are the same people you wrote about who always urge the local community to cooperate with the cops, correc